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- Thread starterBoomerang
- Start dateJun 26, 2024
Ducati899
Member
- Location
- north dorset
- Jul 2, 2024
- #201
lloyd said:
Jeez that seems low compared to a JD 6155.
I would say I average over double that ph.
all fields are close to farm,longest haul would of been 1000 meters away from clamp.we’re very lucky to be in a ring fence with little to no road work
Will 1594
Member
Mixed Farmer
- Location
- Other side of the river to sandringham
- Jul 2, 2024
- #202
Ducati899 said:
what would you be paying for tractor & 16 tonne silage trailer north of the border? Contractors fuel
Come to the circus in the fens £27 they supply the fuel ,
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DRC
Member
- Jul 2, 2024
- #203
livestock 1 said:
Even if they take it to an auction so what
I take cattle and sheep to auctions constantly
Ahh but when you sell a fat bullock are you prepared to take a Jersey cross weanling in part exchange.
I think the worlds moved on from part exchange to be honest.
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livestock 1
Member
- Jul 2, 2024
- #204
Everyone who is in a business that is there to provide a service needs to provide that service to get paid. Once they have decided they only want to provide certain bits of that service then they become obsolete
Jackov Altraids
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Livestock Farmer
- Location
- Devon
- Jul 2, 2024
- #205
DRC said:
Ahh but when you sell a fat bullock are you prepared to take a Jersey cross weanling in part exchange.
I think the worlds moved on from part exchange to be honest.
I agree but see it slightly differently.
It used to be that dealers has a small range of very popular tractors that suited most farmers.
Part exchange just provided all customers with a machine at an appropriate price point and kept the chain from scrap to new financed.
I'm not sure you can justify the expense of a new tractor at todays prices unless you run a big business or do contracting and the machines that suit them, don't suit the smaller farms.
So I'd happily buy a jersey cross weanling from a dealer but they only have Holstein bulls.
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DRC
Member
- Jul 2, 2024
- #206
livestock 1 said:
Everyone who is in a business that is there to provide a service needs to provide that service to get paid. Once they have decided they only want to provide certain bits of that service then they become obsolete
Most purchases in life you don’t get the option to part exchange. Go and buy a new fridge, sofa or a pair of shoes and ask if they part exchange . You might be able to get a few quid for your old ones on Facebook or such like, but DFS won’t give you anything for your sofa
ColinV6
Member
- Jul 2, 2024
- #207
DRC said:
Most purchases in life you don’t get the option to part exchange. Go and buy a new fridge, sofa or a pair of shoes and ask if they part exchange . You might be able to get a few quid for your old ones on Facebook or such like, but DFS won’t give you anything for your sofa
Those are well known as disposable items though, vehicles and machinery and plant have a second hand market so there has to be dealers which will take them in and resell them.
daveydiesel1
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Livestock Farmer
- Location
- Co antrim
- Jul 2, 2024
- #208
DRC said:
Ahh but when you sell a fat bullock are you prepared to take a Jersey cross weanling in part exchange.
I think the worlds moved on from part exchange to be honest.
Without the ability to part exchange there will be very little new 1s sold as wbo wants to buy a second hand 1 privately at mabe 80-100k and try to get finance sorted as its easier if its coming from a dealer
thesilentone
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Livestock Farmer
- Location
- Cumbria
- Jul 2, 2024
- #209
daveydiesel1 said:
Without the ability to part exchange there will be very little new 1s sold as wbo wants to buy a second hand 1 privately at mabe 80-100k and try to get finance sorted as its easier if its coming from a dealer
Fear not, just because someone has given a personal opinion on this forum, does not mean it's reality.
smcapstick
Member
- Location
- Kirkby Lonsdale
- Jul 2, 2024
- #210
There is another dimension to consider, too… especially lower lower value / second hand machines - a dealer’s P/X quote isn’t always entirely an attempt to get the deal done. It’s the main part of the equation, yes, but there is also a more personal level.
Does he want this buyer as a customer? There is no point in welcoming a headache and sometimes you can just tell when the chap on the end of the phone is going to be one.
The kind of chap that will complain for pages and pages on an internet forum about not getting what he demanded for a trade-in is probably a chap the dealer in question didn’t want on the other end of his phone ever again.
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MF CI
Member
- Jul 2, 2024
- #211
And don't forget the dealer of red tractors may not want a blue or green trade in. They are all so complicated now it's a risky business retailing (and guaranteeing) a £100,000 or more s/h tractor that's not your brand.
Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
- Jul 2, 2024
- #212
ColinV6 said:
Those are well known as disposable items though, vehicles and machinery and plant have a second hand market so there has to be dealers which will take them in and resell them.
There is a second hand market for white goods. The value is low though, so a business trading them is not financially viable. If you can’t sell the used part exchange for a profit, no matter whether it’s a £10 or £100,000 item, then it is not viable to take it in.
The answer may be for the item to be left at the dealer’s yard to be sold on behalf of the owner at their own cost and for the original owner who would be paid directly by the new purchaser and to warranty it for the next owner. I somehow doubt whether that is acceptable to most people. Yet they expect the dealer to do so regardless.
daveydiesel1
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Livestock Farmer
- Location
- Co antrim
- Jul 2, 2024
- #213
Cowabunga said:
There is a second hand market for white goods. The value is low though, so a business trading them is not financially viable. If you can’t sell the used part exchange for a profit, no matter whether it’s a £10 or £100,000 item, then it is not viable to take it in.
The answer may be for the item to be left at the dealer’s yard to be sold on behalf of the owner at their own cost and for the original owner who would be paid directly by the new purchaser and to warranty it for the next owner. I somehow doubt whether that is acceptable to most people. Yet they expect the dealer to do so regardless.
But if the original owner has to warranty it then how woukd the dealer need a cut aswel?
grainboy
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- Location
- Bedfordshire
- Jul 2, 2024
- #214
Enry said:
FW article showed (2022) Claas UK were biggest turnover dealer with £155m - few others at £100-110m so hard to see how you could have debt equalling or exceeding turnover in a trading business
Claas Uk is a distributor, not direct sales I think you find,
But dealers turnover is not far behind,
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mixedfmr
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Mixed Farmer
- Location
- yorkshire
- Jul 2, 2024
- #215
Cowabunga said:
There is a second hand market for white goods. The value is low though, so a business trading them is not financially viable. If you can’t sell the used part exchange for a profit, no matter whether it’s a £10 or £100,000 item, then it is not viable to take it in.
The answer may be for the item to be left at the dealer’s yard to be sold on behalf of the owner at their own cost and for the original owner who would be paid directly by the new purchaser and to warranty it for the next owner. I somehow doubt whether that is acceptable to most people. Yet they expect the dealer to do so regardless.
If that was a system imposed on us by the dealers, cant see them shifting much new at all, and prices would have to dive, and thats a no no as the manufacture is tied into his finances
Seems were all tied together dancing a stand off
Unless someone can find the RESET button. And sh*t happens,
Be good for some though, always some tall poppies
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Flatland guy
Member
- Location
- Lincolnshire
- Jul 2, 2024
- #216
daveydiesel1 said:
Without the ability to part exchange there will be very little new 1s sold as wbo wants to buy a second hand 1 privately at mabe 80-100k and try to get finance sorted as its easier if its coming from a dealer
Sorting out finance yourself is not a big issue at all, just get 2/3 quotes and go for the one that suits your business best, whether that is cheapest or one that suits your circ*mstances. The only real difference is possibly someone will just come and check it is a legit machine e. g. actually exists.
People buy very expensive pieces of kit at auctions all the time, so as long as you do due diligence and accept wear and tear shouldn't be an issue. If buying off a farmer usually should have no concerns attaching to machine and seeing running, if at that stage you hear excuses about why can't see running usually means.... leave alone.
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livestock 1
Member
- Jul 2, 2024
- #217
DRC said:
Most purchases in life you don’t get the option to part exchange. Go and buy a new fridge, sofa or a pair of shoes and ask if they part exchange . You might be able to get a few quid for your old ones on Facebook or such like, but DFS won’t give you anything for your sofa
All that stuff is knackered though when you are finished with it not upgraded
Sharpy
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Livestock Farmer
- Location
- Ardrossan Ayrshire
- Jul 2, 2024
- #218
livestock 1 said:
All that stuff is knackered though when you are finished with it not upgraded
Why don't you run your kit till its knackered and worthless then?
Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
- Jul 2, 2024
- #219
daveydiesel1 said:
But if the original owner has to warranty it then how woukd the dealer need a cut aswel?
Presumably the dealer would be expected to sell it on the owner’s behalf. Something like what Amazon and eBay do for clients except somewhat more hands-on and actively.
I’m not advocating this. Just pointing out the capital involved in dealers buying back machinery to sit on their yard and selling it while putting the boot on the farmer’s foot to see how he would like it himself. I know that farmers would find this unacceptable even while expecting the dealer to fork out and take the risks and warrant the used machine.
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Nearly
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- Location
- North of York
- Jul 2, 2024
- #220
livestock 1 said:
All that stuff is knackered though when you are finished with it not upgraded
Sharpy said:
Why don't you run your kit till its knackered and worthless then?
Because a washing machine never broke down and left 100 acres of hay in the swath with rain forecast?
We've 4 washing machines plumbed in here. Most bought second hand from people moving house or upgrading what we'd think of as 'new' kitchens.
Similar policy for tractors. 
